22:11:57 <@SlainWorking> so, is anyone here an insane programmer with a bent for optimisation, massive parallelism and physics engines?
22:11:59 < djmaddenkips> mods have personal agenda against you
22:12:01 < djmaddenkips> world against you
22:12:08 < djmaddenkips> now suck it up
22:12:11 < djmaddenkips> wait for your ban to expire
22:12:16 <+Sprooj> Slainworking: I might know a guy
22:12:18 < djmaddenkips> pain is temporary
22:12:22 < djmaddenkips> GLORY IS ETERNAL
22:12:26 < djmaddenkips> :v
22:12:45 < soulon> i have auctions running... i cant wait my ban
22:13:02 < djmaddenkips> soulon: yes you can.
22:13:05 < djmaddenkips> yes you can.
22:13:13 <@SlainWorking> Sprooj: I'm thinking for the PS3, where the compiler hardly does optimisations (you have to do them manually) and you have lots of lesser-power cores
22:13:18 < soulon> normaly they must count the ban one week ago because there was a bug
22:13:27 < djmaddenkips> SlainWorking: also.
22:13:31 < djmaddenkips> i was thinking of a vidya game
22:13:36 <+Sprooj> Slainworking: I'm not the guy, he works on the Havok engines
22:13:37 < djmaddenkips> and you're smart with programmin'
22:13:45 <@SlainWorking> ye, probably not ideal then
22:13:55 <+Sprooj> k
22:14:51 < djmaddenkips> brorate
22:15:23 <@SlainWorking> well, he would probably be ideal, but not available ;]
22:15:56 < pirate> ?
22:16:06 <+Sprooj> he is probably available
22:16:10 <+Sprooj> I can drop him a line later
22:16:20 <@SlainWorking> Sprooj: I mean conflict of interest-wise
22:16:28 <+Sprooj> I think he got let go, recession and all
22:16:41 <@SlainWorking> i'm thinking of a long-running (ie develop it over plenty of time, in spare time) awesome physics engine for the cell/PS3, and turn it into some amazing simulation game
22:16:52 <+Sprooj> for a console?
22:16:54 < djmaddenkips> SlainWorking: i would license that engine.
22:16:56 <+Sprooj> mightn't sell well
22:17:06 <@SlainWorking> this would be a spare time thing
22:17:07 < djmaddenkips> for a shootin' game
22:17:10 < djmaddenkips> but with physics
22:17:18 < djmaddenkips> like Fracture, except not shitty
22:17:23 <@SlainWorking> i wouldnt be looking for a return on it tbh
22:17:41 <+Sprooj> most of my connections are at adobe or for art
22:17:45 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> no warning, no hey no bumb a auction like other do that... no BANNED! FUCK`
22:17:48 <+Sprooj> I only know one physics guy
22:18:00 < blkk|hmwk> sprooj, your still on?
22:18:01 < djmaddenkips> soulon, take it easy.
22:18:04 < blkk|hmwk> do you have no lie?
22:18:06 < blkk|hmwk> life?
22:18:08 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> i CANT
22:18:10 <+Sprooj> blkk: you are on too
22:18:11 <@SlainWorking> basically, my final hope would be to turn into some sort of car/truck/bus/train/ship/plane simulator, maybe with gmod elements too
22:18:12 <+Sprooj> you wanna die?
22:18:20 <+Sprooj> or do you want to shut the fuck up
22:18:24 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> iam a SALESMAN i cant have a real life!
22:18:30 < blkk|hmwk> hey slain... did you look at cucooman's stuff?
22:18:36 <+Sprooj> Slainwork: seen rigid chips?
22:18:43 <@SlainWorking> I recon it would be possible on the PS3 due to the massive parallelism
22:18:54 <+Sprooj> have you seen rigidchips?
22:18:59 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> shit fucking bumb a auction... now iam banned... take the items for free but unbann!!!!
22:19:02 <@SlainWorking> nyet
22:19:05 <+Sprooj> it's a pretty basic utilization of what you just said
22:19:08 <+Sprooj> let me get you a link
22:19:12 <@SlainWorking> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RigidChips
22:19:17 <+Sprooj> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjT3-Ja5b5I
22:19:36 <+Sprooj> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Z9tcRJ2ik&feature=related
22:19:41 <+Sprooj> those give a pretty basic idea
22:19:44 <@SlainWorking> ye
22:19:49 <+Sprooj> but you can customize all of it
22:20:03 <@SlainWorking> it would be a rigid-body physics engine most likely
22:20:17 <+Sprooj> x-plane has a similar system
22:20:21 <@SlainWorking> ya
22:20:26 <@SlainWorking> <- owns x-plane
22:20:50 <+Sprooj> it's a good physics game
22:20:52 <@SlainWorking> the point is, can it do that with 300 vehicles in view?
22:20:59 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> oh damn thats real fury i feel in my stomach
22:21:00 <+Sprooj> it can sort of
22:21:05 < coreyp008> that rigid chips stuff is cool
22:21:06 <+Sprooj> because it has multiplayer
22:21:53 <+Sprooj> but PS3 processors aren't strong enough to get all the physics running for 300 seperate vehicles
22:22:04 <+Sprooj> take GT5 for example
22:22:08 <+Sprooj> it can have like, 24 max
22:22:14 <+Sprooj> with good physics
22:22:34 <@SlainWorking> thing is, what I have seen, people havnt really been able to code for the PS3 well
22:22:52 <@SlainWorking> due to having to do every single bit of optimization yourself pretty much
22:23:15 <+Sprooj> next gen maybe
22:23:23 <+Sprooj> I doubt it could happen any time soon
22:23:34 <@SlainWorking> well, I want to do it
22:23:37 <@SlainWorking> thats the point
22:23:43 <+Sprooj> then spearhead it
22:24:34 <@SlainWorking> thats what I am doing (trying to get jok involved and a few other people)
22:24:50 <@SlainWorking> I'm not going to do it full-time however, just on-the-side
22:25:53 <+Sprooj> let me know how it goes
22:26:05 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> who banned me?  because i dont bumb i only update my auctions so i dont understand that bann!!!!
22:26:15 <+Sprooj> I know some people at sony, as stupid as what I just said sounds, they might be helpful
22:26:33 < djmaddenkips> soulon: slow down. take it easy.
22:26:36 < djmaddenkips> what do you mean by bumb?
22:26:39 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> oh yes i see on ecto auction
22:26:48 <@SlainWorking> well, it seems that IBM have released a virtual machine
22:26:50 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> ok ok its ok... i have done it!
22:26:59 <@SlainWorking> and you can run linux on the actual machine
22:27:03 < awaywall> Really slai-
22:27:04 < awaywall> noice
22:27:11 < awaywall> Is it free?
22:27:11 < awaywall> :D
22:27:21 <@SlainWorking> awaywall: a virtual machine for the processor
22:27:25 <@SlainWorking> not the whole PS3
22:27:27 < awaywall> ahhh
22:27:37 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> and djmaddenkplasdölk  whatever... i cant take it easy
22:28:07 < djmaddenkips> that's hot name
22:28:27 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> sry
22:28:31 <@SlainWorking> Sprooj: disclaimer: I regularly come up with crazy ideas and only follow through on about 1% of them
22:28:31 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> iam a junky!
22:28:40 < soulon_RAGE-BANNED> and now i cant get my drug
22:28:42 <+Sprooj> eh, like junt
22:29:06 <+Sprooj> anyway, this is a pretty good demonstration of rigid chips versatility http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LfG3SHOeWc&feature=related
22:29:15 < djmaddenkplasdolk> SlainVeteran
22:29:15 < djmaddenkplasdolk> bro
22:29:22 <+Sprooj> that radar is in-game
22:29:26 < djmaddenkplasdolk> we should make a game
22:29:28 < djmaddenkplasdolk> amirite
22:29:31 <@SlainWorking> most of them over the past few years have been to do with simulation, so I may actually do something like this at some point
22:29:56 <+Sprooj> it would be tight
22:29:57 < SF3-Ryuu> gg SF3Luck
22:30:09 <+Sprooj> I dunno if PS3 is the right platform, by the looks of it you dont care about the money
22:30:19 <+Sprooj> so PS3 would be good from a developing standpoint
22:30:36 <@SlainWorking> its the massive parallelism that I am interested in
22:31:29 <@SlainWorking> and coming up with ways to split up a physics engine massively. an obvious one is a physics engine per object, but thats very nieve
22:31:35 <+Sprooj> just look to see how MAG turns out, that is a start on the "massive games" so you can get an idea of how well the PS3 handles it
22:35:04 <+Sprooj> but yeah bro, make it happen
22:35:30 <+Sprooj> a massive physics game where you can actually drive (gmod with nice vehicles) would be tight
22:35:41 < djmaddenkplasdolk> 43 car racing game
22:35:50 < djmaddenkplasdolk> if someone could make the le mans with an entire field
22:35:53 < djmaddenkplasdolk> it would be hot
22:35:55 < djmaddenkplasdolk> # (´# ` )# 
22:35:58 <+Sprooj> yeah
22:36:00 <+Sprooj> GRID did
22:36:05 <+Sprooj> it had the whole field
22:36:20 < elkek> jesus CHRIST my desk is messy
22:36:29 < djmaddenkplasdolk> technically, GRID was also an arcadey sim
22:36:31 < elkek> i shuold wait until it is an incredible shitpile like ishi's desk
22:36:34 < djmaddenkplasdolk> a full simulation
22:36:39 <+Sprooj> pshhh
22:36:46 <+Sprooj> race pro suuuucks
22:36:59 < djmaddenkplasdolk> that is true
22:37:03 <+Sprooj> FUEL looks win
22:37:04 <+Sprooj> like
22:37:05 <+Sprooj> really win
22:37:19 < djmaddenkplasdolk> though admittedly i have DiRT installed 
22:37:19 < djmaddenkplasdolk> :<
22:37:22 < djmaddenkplasdolk> :>
22:37:28 <+Sprooj> a truly open world game if I've ever seen one
22:37:35 <+Sprooj> 5000 square miles
22:38:05 <+Sprooj> I can finally reenact the Paris-Dakar
22:38:16 <+Sprooj> also, why the long face Galrath?
22:39:13 < Eleeleth> <3 Forza
22:39:23 <+Sprooj> <3 GT
22:45:11 <@SlainWorking> Sprooj: basically, I am a huge train sim buff (ye, i am a wierdo :P), and although most of the features I want have been covered by the collective mass of train sims out there, not one has hit them all. An awesome but fast physics engine would hit most of the targets, but why stop at trains?  throw in cars, etc too (basically the same, but without a fixed route [track]), and then why not ships and planes? oh, and whilst we are at it, why limit ourselves to only being a driver? why not make it first person and entirely free-roam?
22:45:48 <@SlainWorking> i believe it is atainable, just with plenty of work
22:46:04 <+NewbLuck> THEN BLOW THEM ALL UP
22:46:06 <+NewbLuck> :D
22:46:47 <+zaadick> yo uys
22:46:51 <+zaadick> im streaking imsku
22:46:54 <+zaadick> he sucks lol
22:47:06 <@SlainWorking> if you do it all with rigid body physics, you *should* be able to get it efficient, and I dont care about modelling crashes
22:47:45 <@SlainWorking> crash modelling would be cool, but you could even swap physics engine for a less-powerful soft-body engine at that point >.>
22:48:36 <@SlainWorking> btw, when I come up with crazy ideas, I think these things through and make then ambitious ;]
22:49:02 <+FNugget> Internet addiction was declared a mental disease in China
22:49:13 <@SlainWorking> its been that way for about 2 years now
22:49:16 <+FNugget> like, 5 months ago
22:49:31 <+Sprooj> so you want to make a rigid physics engine and then have developers make a massive open ended game off of it?
22:49:43 <@SlainWorking> pretty much
22:49:49 <+Sprooj> why not make it on the PC and have it be open source
22:50:11 <@SlainWorking> it will be open source, and I think the cell could do a much better job of the physics engine
22:50:29 <+Sprooj> sony would never be up to an open source game
22:50:38 <+NewbLuck> SlainWorking: just get like havok or use PhysX
22:50:40 <+NewbLuck> lol
22:50:54 < soulon_banned> pfff its nice to come down
22:51:22 <@SlainWorking> NewbLuck: open source and cross-platform is something I value
22:51:31 <+Sprooj> yeah that wont get published
22:51:37 <+NewbLuck> true
22:51:39 <+NewbLuck> what about like
22:51:44 <+NewbLuck> tokomak
22:51:47 <+NewbLuck> tokamalk
22:51:48 <+NewbLuck> ere
22:51:51 <@SlainWorking> ye
22:51:58 <+Sprooj> as someone who appears to be somewhat knowledgable, companies like microsoft and sony dont do open source
22:52:18 <+Sprooj> so...
22:52:22 <@SlainWorking> Ive looked at tokamak and ODE, and although they look decent, I recon I could a better job with a cell processor
22:52:42 <@SlainWorking> Sprooj: I dont care if it doesnt get published, because I can just do it for a cell-based fedora 5
22:52:53 <+Sprooj> but then I cant play it
22:53:05 <+Sprooj> and I will have to stick with Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts
22:53:10 <@SlainWorking> point is
22:53:24 <@SlainWorking> I probably wouldnt agree with Sony's distribution model anyway
22:53:33 <@SlainWorking> because I will demand the least amount of DRM possible
22:53:47 <+Sprooj> yeah, they wont pick the game up
22:53:53 <@SlainWorking> well, duh
22:54:06 <+Sprooj> sony is surpisingly lax elsewhere though
22:54:28 <+Sprooj> they get palletes of PS3's stolen, Bravias and Viaos too and they dont care
22:54:49 < EXbattle> hi
22:54:52 <@SlainWorking> thing is, the plan would be to develop it for one platform originally (say the cell) but modularly, then have drop-in replacements for other platforms
22:54:55 <+Sprooj> they get literally entire trucks full of PS3s stolen, and dont do anything to supplement security
22:55:22 <+Sprooj> so you would just have weaker ports for 360 or PC
22:55:48 <@SlainWorking> well, the engine would be optimized in its own way for the PC/linux/mac
22:56:05 <@SlainWorking> and being open source, means other people would be able to spot optimizations
22:56:06 <+Sprooj> like Diablo 2 wasn't
22:56:56 <+Sprooj> it sounds wonderful, just not very feasible
22:56:59 <@SlainWorking> thats the idea, you have a modular system which has high-level calls between modules, so you can completely rip out the innards and implement it in a completely different way
22:57:04 <@SlainWorking> its design-by-contract